I read a self-professed ‘malesub’ stating that he would train his sons to be submissive to women. He would try to force the orientation on them, not enable them to seek fulfillment.
The idea of a father teaching his boys to want to be a woman’s slave is quite disgusting. Should someone really try one can only hope the children are taken away from him.
This is a good example of the kind of damnable consequences belief in female superiority can lead too.
Originally posted 2008-11-18 06:46:28.
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I think we all bring our kids up to accept the social norms that we follow ourselves. This involves teaching them such basics as do not steal, do not be greedy and don’t bully your siblings etc. We use all kinds of methods to get those messages accepted by our kids. In the past we used physical discipline now in our politically correct Western world we use non violent ways like naughty steps or chairs. But take a look at the state of our schools and you can see that the latter methods is not always successful.
Is it so bad therefore, if our family unit deliberately incorporates the mother as the head of the family, to bring up the sons of that family to respect that norm too and if some form of discipline is also used to maintain the female leadership, should that not also be considered appropriate for the male children? This is no different than the requirement of strict religious adherence in a religiously devout family.
I hope your countries respective authorities are monitoring this site for peadophilia. Linda you are talking about involving children in a sexual pointed relationship. Think about that, it will not be hard for a decent lawyer to link your fetish to your treatment of a child.
I find it interesting in a world that wants things to be equal you have women that want to be in control and then you have men that want to be in control. This is choice between two adults and each relationship is different. It is and always will be the nature order of things that men from a DNA point of view, are the more dominate gender. Women have slowly been allowing themselves to be ok with enjoying sex. The family unit has been slowly falling apart because of divorce, men and women not being there for their family and this has in many cases allow men to experience their growth through the eyes of women leading the family. Like it was mentioned, girls have been brought up to be submissive to their husbands, this is taught and their DNA is more in line with the nuturing and caring of the family. So the same stands true of a boy, he will mature into what he has experienced within his environment. But a boy has DNA that is more agressive and the brain of a boy is no the same as a girl that is taught to be submissive. Genders are different and their brains develop in totally different ways.
So now all the ladies out that are mad or what to spank me to put me in line, think for a moment. A child should never have to experience the world of adults until they are emotionally prepared. A child’s evironment can lead to the same normal way that a person handles an abnormal situation. Be it abusive parents or a combat veteran. Let me say it again, A person can have a normal reaction to an abnormal situation. Let me now add for you, a male has DNA to allow him to be agressive, rough and what to play hard. To train him to serve, be submissive, and women are his superior before he is emotionally grown enough to understand himself and what he needs falls inline with him having a normal reaction to an abnormal situation. He will be confused, emotional immature and deep inside him, he will feel out of sort with himself.
Dad and Mom can love each other in which ever way they need to work together to make their relationship work, but I to train a girl or boy to be anything other than loved, they are belived in, they can become anything they choose to and the must have the develop from both parents that shows them how to succeed in life since they have been given the tools of being accountable for their actions, they must deal with life and understand that life can be cruel to anyone. Learn from it so you can become a better person.
My final comment is a question, two people can be equal, why can’t two people that really love each other be submissive to each other, live teamwork with each other and always make your partner a priority.
Linda, as a woman, you are as dangerous to the human condition as any male rapist. You want to abuse children’s testicles and castrate men regardless of how they treat women (you are a twisted, demented psycho). You should not be allowed the honor of children. lf any person suggests removing the procreative abilities of another person that person suggesting that is THE PROBLEM. I don’t have a problem with FDR, I do have a problem with any person who is sadistic to any human. Get a grip, get over your insane anger, and get a grip before you ever think about breeding. Spouting like yours does a disservice to FDR.
my mother brought me up to believe in female superiority and put dresses on me when i was young and i accept woman now as superior to me .
i’m not necessarily advocating raising submissive boys, but why would that be any different than raising girls to be submissive as they have been basically throughout history….. what’s good for the gander is good for the goose?…..
No parent has the right to try and force their beliefs (especially when specifically related to their sexual lifestyle choices) on their children. People make the mistake of thinking that they have the right to mold children as they see fit – which they don’t. Kids deserve to grow up in a loving home where they can choose to become whatever or whomever they wish.
If you want your boys to distrust you, go ahead and try to raise them as subs. At some point (8 years, +/- 2 years), kids start noticing how other families work and compare them with their own. You’d have to live like a fundamentalist (pick your type) and keep your kids away from the larger culture to keep them thinking like you, until about 16 years. By then the bottom line is: obey the rules or find another place to live. If they think they’re being treated unfairly, especially by crazy people they don’t respect, they’ll be gone as soon as possible. You’ll regret it.
cuckold030 seems right on to me: no violence or sex around the kids. Loving cooperation is the best example for family life, no matter who makes the final decisions.
cuck, I too am appalled by the violence on US TV. Many years ago I casually polled my co-workers (techies) and we all agreed we’d like to see more sex and less violence on TV; well, except for one woman who didn’t think we needed more sex.
Miss Linda, please, no testicle punishment for the kids; real damage can be done. I’m not always against spanking but think it’s rarely necessary if you’ve done the prep work with consistent non-violent consequences for bad behavior. So, get yourself a full-grown sub male to take it out on but don’t inflict your fantasies on the kids. Thanks.
As a young hoping to be life-style dom, I am interested in FD families – or I will be one day. All the talk about what dad does seems irrelevant as its what mum does that counts. There will always be the submissive male/dominant female roles perfectly visible however secret the nuts and bolts may be. It isnt as if this is in some science fiction future; women have dommed men in family relationships since the year dot for goodness sake. The nagging always dissatisfied wife, the woman who runs the finances and keeps her husband under her heel is exactly that, a Dominant. Personally I think most families are FD – except, sadly, most women dont move onto the fun bits. But men love being told exactly what to do, how to dress, what to think. And a lot of that comes from their mothers. Everyday in the shops you will see young mums smacking and clouting and bellowing at their kids- and boys are fair game for a few sharp slaps on the backs of their thighs. Many many mums go further; my mum used to warm my brothers arse with an old leather slipper. She’d do it when she was cross and didnt stint herself. My legs would go wobbly watching. He’d cry and his arse would be bright red. And mum felt better and made a cup of tea. Now of course this wasnt “FD” and she would have been horrified to hear it might be but that is only because the true nature of FD wasnt available to her as it is with young woman today. I once watched a young mum slapping a boy quite deliberately between his legs as a punishment for misbehaviour at a restaurant. She took him round the side of the building and did it quite coldly and slowly until she was satisfied he’d learnt his lesson. She then left him there so he could recover. He was in a right state. It was just a fraction away from being pornographic. She is regarded by all as an excellent mum, completely in charge of her brood. Later I saw them cuddling and smiling and I really had to wonder what was going on here. It was of course 100% straight but I hope you get my point about thin lines etc? If I had boys I’d be as keen to instill discipline as that mum and slapping and other chatisements are traditional in our society so I’m sure I’d use something. Girls are much easier. I’d lose no time at all in telling them about the advantages of FD. Obviously it would be up to them but I think most sensible girls see how it works – so I’d be surprised if they didnt follow suit. So I conclude; families always have been and always will be female dominated; the issue is how much of a developed FD life-style should be displayed. Does daddy get caned in front of the kids, for example? Is he smacked and sent to his punishment area when mum gets annoyed? Do you tell your daughter that daddy has been such a slouch he’s going to get his penis smacked? And to go back to the woman at the restaurant, when a boy needs slapping why not do it where we know it hurts?
Basically this is an interesting topic, one that my Wife and i discuss regularly. We are in a FD life-style but we agree that our kids should not be exposed to our life-style. This is simply because we want to let them explore their own preferences and sexuality.
However, it is obvious that their values will be influenced by our life-style. Next to main provider I’m also responsible for the chores around the house (for as long as we have kids). This results in my daughter doing nothing any my son helping me on Saturday morning to clean he house. This is natural for them, nothing special.
Our kids also know that mom takes all final decision. This doesn’t mean that my input doesn’t matter. We have family discussion on all kind of topics but my wife takes the final decision.
We are not in favour of discipline in front of the kids. We have word coding in which my wife makes it clear I’m going too far but punishment is administered in private and via my chastity. I’m wearing a CB 6000s permanently but not when we are at home with the kids (they could jump on my lap or see me in the shower).
My wife also cuckolds me but we do not share any of that with our children. Our daughter is very suspicious and sometimes gets subtle hints (computer screens or a dressed up mom going to a friends drink) and we assure her that this all is very consensual without providing any details.
We are in this life-style for a long time now, longer as we have kids. Our kids are normal kids and they can discover their own preferences and sexuality. In our opinion this is the only option as we believe we should not expose kids to any direct effects of our FD relationship.
We will however, reveal more about it when they are 18 or older. Not in detail but the principles of it, we believe they have the right to know at that time so they can put things in perspective.
I have to say the image of your daughter swanning around while you and her brother look after her is rather appealing!
Linda, it’s not as obvious as it seems. This all goes without talking about that stuff. We all do the chores together, that is the picture. Obviously we divide the tasks in such a way that the men are doing more physical work then the women but in our opinion we learn the kids a valuable lesson that is often not learned by vanilla kids; in a household thing should be done equally. In that sence both my daughter and my son will have an advantage later. My daughter will not accept a partner that is not willing to participate in the household and my son will be popular amoung women because he learned to be a great help and pleaser.
I appreciate what you say. But what does your wife do when you need a good slapping right there and then? And surely it doesnt mean no beating at all – whats the point in being dom in that case? I think a dad and a brother can give a girl special attention, little favours, obedience while not being overtly subbie. Its very natural. She may pout and throw tantrums, lots of girls do, but how nice if the males accept that and let her rock and roll. I dont think people recognise how close to the surface these basic instincts are. I used to give my brother, two years older, hell when I wanted to. My biggest thrill was to invent some story and tell my mum and then hear and sometimes see him getting it. If he claimed I’d made it up he’d get it worse; Oh! what a face he’d pull when the arguing was over and he had to drop his trousers. Of course I had no notion of Fd but I very much enjoyed wielding that power and it was extra nice when it was all so unfair. My best ones were telling mum about the porno magazine he had in his room and accusing him of peeping up my skirt. He certainly used to do that although you would be right in suspecting it was more a case of me flashing and him simply being unable not to peep. Now I suspect my mum must have guessed I was winding it up but such a serious accusation would see Sean sent to his room while mum got crosser and crosser thinking about it until up she went with the slipper. I’d be in the hallway listening and peeping – mum never closed the door – and then he’d be made to apologise through his sobs for something he hadnt done.. It was a great way to liven up a dull Sunday and it wasnt just the beating, for the rest of the day he had to do chores and that included cleaning and tidying my bedroom. The fact is I was always keen to watch him do that, pointing out what needed doing and making him do it over again until I was satisfied. I liked to make him sort out my knickers which I could see excited him and as a bit of compensation I’d even model them for him which meant taking them off and putting on other ones. Talk about eyes on stalks! I’ve had frank discussions with him about this since and he has no resentment at all and describes his “fever” as my legs got longer and my skirts shorter. He would have taken a lot more very happily. To be honest my dad wasnt much better, always always looking. Now i wish I’d told my mum about him too; I wonder what would have hapened? My interest in Fd family life goes back to those heady days when Little Miss Perfect claimed her pink knickers were being eyed up and a boy got badly thrashed as a result. It was the sheer injustice of it that I liked. Now I am thinking how would I deal with these issues if I have a family so its good to have your views. Codes and no chastity cage when the kids are about is NOT inspiring; what you only do it now and again? Real FD is about 24/7 control and i cant see how kids can be kept in the dark about that.
Dear Linda, this is becoming an interesting public discussion and I’m planning to bring my wife into this discussion too. I hear what you say but I don’t agree. I’m in chastity 24/7. I just don’t wear the CB when I’m at home and the kids are arround. Be sure that my wife check upon me when I go to the bathroom or when I work in the study ….
Your story is interesting and the fact that you bullied Sean arround sounds interesting. My principle is that one should not “shape” a child in that way. One has always to look at the consequenses and I don’t know what became of Sean but with everything that happened he could be in serious mental trouble such as a woman hater, binding fear, low self esteem and so on. Men like that are most probably not going to be the best submissive men for women.
The way we see this is that we give the kids an example of an equal relationship where the woman takes the final decisions. This will keep them neutral about our FD relationship but will learn them new society standards that are different from how most families are raised. We believe we found a method that will not shape the kids sexually in any shape or form but we keep them away from the stereotype male/female relationship.
With regards to the slapping; believe that happens but never in front of the kids. When my wife has an urgent need to correct me we go to our bedroom or to the basement otherwise she’ll administer punishment before we go to sleep. Don’t forget that I’m in chastity and she can subtile ad days to my locking period.
So all in all it’s our opinion that kids, when they form their values and find their place in society, we should not steer them in FD but let them experience what an equalized relationship means. My daughter, a very social girl, already know that she has Female Power and my son has girls amoung his friends too as he behaves much less macho and more accomodating to them. Those are natural signs of dominance and submission that will develop further (or not) when they grow up.
Voilence in front of the kids is something we are defenitly not in favor of. We raise our kids voilent free. Is was our adult choice to ad physical punishment to our FD life but violence (how subtile it can be) is not something we should confront kids with in our opinion.
In this respect I would like to ad that we are European and that we believe there is one thing that is very different and, in this care, also better as in the States (where we lived the last 5 years). Voilence on TV is much more common then love and sex. There is a lot of fuss arround sex and far less arround violence. The TV shows where many people are violently raped, killed or slaughtered is apoling to us and we don’t let our kids watch that.
On the contrary, there are a lot of R rated movies with some nudity, sex or other where we believe this is good for kids to watch. The US still raises kids with the idea that sex is dirty. Kids of 8 years old don’t kiss their mom or dad anymore because of “germs” or something. My son still does that and said one time; My mom has the same germs as I have, so what’s the point?
To raise kids with love, respect and equality is the best way to raise kids. Let them decide, when they are 18, what they want to do with that. I believe we do not have the right to shape or form kids in any direction, it will only lead to frustraded kids and they might choose the wrong path in stead.
So I would advise you, when you start your family, to be carefull, read some psycholigical book about raising kids and the influences parents can have on their long term mental well being and you might learn that you can steer in a certain direction but enforcement almost always leads to rebellation.
I’m very interested in your reaction.
Linda – I think there are two things going on in your argument: How open should a FD relationship be for the children of the family and should the boys in such a family also be made part of the female’s domination?
From your own family experiences it seems that your mother had no difficulties with the later question and even though she may have had her suspicions that you inventing situations in order to have your brother punished, she almost colluded with you. That and your observation of the mother smacking her son’s genitals outside the restaurant are probably quite extreme on the side of being unambiguous about what FD meant for the two women involved.
I believe that in a more median FD household the children are fully aware that the mother rules and that the father acquiesces. It is inevitable that any girls in that family environment will grow up to emulate their mother and the boys will grow up to emulate their father. To say that the children should be left to find themselves misses reality. I don’t think there is any controversy in this.
Where there is obviously controversy is if physical punishment is used as part of the FD and should that extend to the boys of the family. If physical discipline is used by the wife on the husband is definitely an issue for them and I have no moral issues at all with the use of semi concensual physical discipline within a relationship. The issue of the FD wife punishing her husband in front of the kids is more complex as is the wife’s punishing any boys in the family as part of her FD.
In conclusion; In an FD household the children will be acutely aware of the power differences between male and females in the home therefore they will be fundamentally affected by that in their value systems as they grow up. If the family have open discipline rituals for the male members this will definitely reinforce the children’s attitudes to FD as they develop through their childhood. Is that desirable or damaging? To be honest, I am with Linda, as long as it doesn’t turn into sexual abuse, why shouldn’t the FD lifestyle be displayed openly and why shouldn’t the boys of the family not be expected to conform to those rules too with their accompanying disciplining.
You people are sick perverts. If you have children they should be taken away and you locked up for the rest of your life.
i see nothing wrong with the father’s idea however his actions will do more to instill in his sons the proper attitude. Let them see how much he enjoying doing what he is doing.
Ladies to can show there their daughters how being a Female is Great and the Rewards that come with it.
why is everything outside the norm a fetish.I could just a father teaching his kids his values. If is truly believes men are born to serve women then of course he’s going to pass down those beliefs.you people act like like he has his kids naked crawling to there mama.I’ll admit some see female superiority as a fetish.but others,self included,it has nothing to do with sex and more to do with living as the goddesses intended.
Why disgusting? In the past, women taught their daughters to be submissive to men especially to the husband. Fathers should teach their sons that women are the most valuable members of society, that they always be held in the highest esteem and that boys should obey their mothers and guys their girlfriends and wives. It’s the best way to save the world from the destruction caused by male domination.
i agree with much of what Tav said but i do think it important that the parents do not pretend that the relationship is other than that the mother is the Head of Household and that the father does what he is told. After all, that’s a fact!
And i don’t understand why you say that he shouldn’t ask for his allowance in front of the children. Why not? She controls the finances; he has to ask for his spending money just as the children do. Seems straightforward to me
billy
Agreed, one must understand that that femdom is a spiritual and sexual exercise and nothing more.
Fundamentally and by nature, men and women have equal power and equal needs that are achieved through opposite and complimentary fashion to achieve these mutually desired ends.
Power play is and always will be a way to exemplify and illustrate proper balance and reciprocal energy but never to achieve it. It is simply an exercise.
Kids should do what they want, and so should their parents, when it comes to a role. If the father wants to be submissive to the mother, in terms of doing all the housework, laundry, cooking, and asking her permission to do things, etc, then I don’t see anything wrong with that, any more than I’d critizise a wife from doing that. I’m confident many successful women were daughters of mothers who had traditioal female rolss,
Males share much of the domestic work these days anyway, though they rarely do half. You are born with submissive desires. You don’t learn them. They are erotic. It’s very rare for a male to be submissive, and also rare for a female to be submissive to this degree.
The sons will have a world full of role models. They won’t care who does the dishes or laundry at home. Dominance and submission are an individual’s choice, and have nothing to do with raising kids. I wouldn’t be excessively submissive in front of a child, such that the child realizes this is really strange, or gets laughed at if he tells his friend. The husband shouldn’t be asking his wife for his allowance in front of the kids, or kissing her feet, but I see nothing wrong with a male or female doing all the domestic tasks, and cooking, and the other person controlling all the money, and making all the decisions; but do think that certain aspects of this shouldn’t be paraded unnecessarily in front of children. However, if the father does all the housework, washing, and ironing, and cooks and serves all the meals, I see no problem with it, just as I’d see no problem if the wife did that.
I in fact don’t see a problem if the children realize the wife is the head of the household, and makes the important decisions. They’ll see it as a cooperative and reasonable father,with no fights in the home. There is no “proper” gender role and kids should be taught tolerance, but I don’t think the parents should present the scenario as the father being the slave of the mother. I don’t think it will have anything to do with what the kids want for themselves in a relationship, but might subject them to laughter if they tald about it, and kids should feel free to not worry about that kind of thing. .
It would be interesting to know if the man’s wife shared his philosophy.
I try not be be critical of other people’s way of doing things, but wow – this is disturbing.
And if he was into beastiality would he teach his kids how to enjoy that as well? This is sickening really, enjoy your fetish without having to brainwash your kids. Sounds like he is rather self loathing and is trying to justify himself by manipulating and controlling his sons.
Anyone who would seriously consider doing this doesn’t deserve to have kids.
I only hope that if he does have boys, that they grow up to be doms if anything. Just to shove his face in it.
The problem with children is that they never do what you say, but they almost always do what you do.
You can force a child into a behavior pattern at much cost to both you and the child. Or you can lead the child by example.
My leanings towards FLR come from my role models. My dad was very respectful towards my mom and aunts. In many ways mom was head of the household which was quite a feat for a 1950’s housewife!
This is not to say that you don’t discipline children when they need it. They need small course corrections to develop social skills and safety habits. They also crave guidance and direction. Like it or not, you as the parent, are their leader.
If you set the example to deferring to women for advice and decision making, the child will come to learn that this is OK and maybe even preferable.
This is a far cry from insisting that a male child treat all women as superiors. Forcing a child into any lifestyle has unpleasant results. It is possible that the child will adjust and grow up “normally.” It is more likely that the child’s self-esteem will be crushed causing a lot of other anti-social issues or that the child will rebel, and not only hate you, but also hate the women you adore.
As parents the best you can do is lead and hope that your children follow. Doing all the right things is not a 100% guarantee of success, but the probability of success is higher if you do the right things.
One last note: don’t worry about getting it 100% right. Kids are pretty smart. They’ll cut you some slack if they know you are trying.